Mar 05

Bucket board wakesurf redux

The Bucket Board revisted.

You wrote it off, didn’t you? Ha! We have a few pictures of James Walker wakesurfing it that we hope will cause you to rethink that concept. We’re sure that there are folks that thought we broke the board the first time out and those folks would be wrong (again) 🙂

Fisrt up is a pictire of James Walker in trim and he is about 50 pounds lighter than our original test subject plus James is am amazing rider.

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Just a quick note, you should be able to double click on any of the pictures and that will take you to our Flyboy Wakesurf Flickr album so you can view all of the pictures associated with the test.

Now one of James driving forward after fading back. What????!!!! Yep, he was able to surf the entire wake. It doesn’t have the same ability to recover, because it’s so dang small the riders ability to move around on the board is virtually nonexistent.

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Carving down off the top. The wake of the Supreme V226 has such a powerful wake you can ride a board that is only 20% the size of your current wakesurf board. Ok, no that isn’t true. The wake is solid, but really it’s about the same as all other wakesurf wakes out there.

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Just one more picture before a little discussion. How long does your wakesurf board REALLY need to be?  And how wide?

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Right? Carving and driving a 14″ wide by 3.5′ long wakesurf board with a huge single trailing fin. Be honest you thought it wasn’t possible and then when we showed the first set of pictures you used that to reinforce your conclusion, didn’t you????!!!! 🙂 We certainly did, so you wouldn’t be alone! 🙂

Ok, so lets review a few things. First if you are basing your knowledge and decision upon what you observe without testing, building, changing things up, your final conclusion will only be as good as all that input. The vast majority of wakesurf board designs and riding that we see is purely imitation and not new or even all that much different from everything else out there. Obviously if you are a manufacturer you want to sell your product so you aren’t going to stray that far from a proven shape or design because, then you have to undertake the process of informing the buying public and abosorb that cost. It doesn’t make sense, economically because if you develop something revolutionary and spend 8,000 doing so, guess what? Joe’s Wakesurf Boards will copy it next week without spending a dime.

So each knockoff of an existing design, limits your choices as consumers. Manufacturers won’t commit to spending more on R&D unless they can recoup those costs. There isn’t any reason to do that unless it can be recouped within a single season, because there will be 5 copies of it next week.  The point being that YOU as a consumer, limit your choices and the future development by accepting any copying whatesoever. Pads to boards.

All of the opinions you hear or read, based upon the limited subset of experience probably isn’t worth all that much. Certainly it creates a barrier for future development, because all of that has to be UNDONE when a manufacturer wants to introduce new technology and see above for why that’s a problem. 

There is a tendency for folks to observe without testing, building and then to discount and concluded negatively. It’s self-protection to prevent us from being taken in by the cheaters and spammers, right?  There is certainly no shortage of those folks! We all know you can’t always trust your eyes. 🙂 And certainly an opinion is just an opinion, like the old saying goes, we all have them.

Now we won’t try and convince you that 14″ wide wakesurf boards are the wave of the future, pun intended, just that certainly it can be done and done rather effectively.

Structurally speaking, we’re doubtful that channels and concaves do anything except empty your wallet. That’s not true, they do stiffen the resulting shape considerably. THAT is something, but not the concept of water being channeled anywhere.

Stiffeness is really good and probably is the single most important factor in generating speed down-the-line.

This is a 1 pound something board. 5 pound boards are just stupid heavy. That weight comes from poor design and all of the stuff above about not straying too far from what has always been.

This is something like 1/2″ thick. It’s kinda twitchy but 2″ thick boards are also stupid thick. Ain’t no such thing as float. Ain’t no such thing as riding higher. AND we don’t need thickness to develop stiffness, unless you’re lazy. 🙂  That is to say it can, but it’s the lazy-man’s approach to it.

Development is hampered by the practice of copying and the general acceptance of that as a business model. When you see that, and you entertain buying that product, it’s at the cost of folks spending money on R&D for future performance increases. Most folks are ok with that. They want here and now at the cheapest price. Innovators will charge a premium for innovation because next week you’ll find a copy, probably not as good, but still functional for no cost to develop.

Opinions of current shapes and technology are the second greatest limiting factor to new performance innovations and it’s human nature to be skeptical. We are bombarded with spam and all manner of spun dialog all designed to rid your wallet of excess cash.

So we’ll close with 1 pound something ounces, 14″ x 41″, a single trailer fin and literally no curvature on the outline is doable for a 150 pound rider. It’s not the best shape, but no one believed that 14 inch wide could be done effectively. What else are we missing?  Wakesurfing development is directly related to consumer habits.

Thanks so much for follwoing alone, we really appreciate your time and openness!

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