Have you seen it out in the ocean? Huge longboards and the rider walks the length of the board and then rides for a short period of time standing on the last 2 feet’ish of the board. Like this!
If you look at that picture, it’s very similar to how we would ride a surf style wakesurf board revert, well except for the direction of travel!!! Such a minor detail!!! The fin is out of the water, the nose of the board is in contact with the upward flow of the wave, the board is falling down the face of the wave AND there is this apex that is sort of lifting the back…what 2/3’s of the board out of the water?
This is nothing new, it’s been around for about as long as longboards have been around! If you haven’t ever seen a noserider up close, MOST have a huge concave on the bottom of the board at the nose to create lift. Here are a few pictures that give you an idea of the location and size of a noseriders NOSE concave.
This is looking down the length of the board from the tail towards the nose. That dark oval at the opposite end is the nose concave.
Here is another picture of a different board, this is up close and from the right side looking across and forward. You can also see what is referred to as chines up at the nose for more control of the board when it’s being ridden from the nose.
That section is huge. It needs to be a huge ass concave to be effective at all. Smaller dents or tiny little channels don’t really produce any useful lift in a board, especially when it is ridden revert. They can do other things like create a stiffer section of the board, though.
Now don’t go running off thinking nose riders are the answer to your revert riding. That isn’t our message! Nose riders are a funny sort of board. They are intentionally shaped to create drag when the rider is up at the nose, so that the board doesn’t outrun the wave. So huge single fins and typically a rounded belly plus rounded rails all create tons of drag to help slow the board down as the rider gets up on the nose.
You don’t want that! But remember how we talked about creating lift off the nose when the board is revert and the nose is acting as the tail? Right? Just shape that sort of concave in the nose, but turn it around so that it’s employed when the board is ridden revert and for the most part isn’t ever engaged otherwise. The rest of that orientation, as we described above where the fin was out of the water, etc is what we want or what we are doing when the board is being ridden revert.
Again, this weird sort of judging mechanism that rewards riders for riding boards differently than what they were designed for – like mudding your Ferrari – dictates that we ALL start shaping for that weirdness. Kinda like lifting your Ferrari and slapping on a set of mudders. It’s dumb, but it’s what the judges are all googoo over, what are ya gonna do? Anyway, we understand that revert riding is a significant part of any surf style division, now. Shuv based tricks, are also part of that division. Time to shape for them effectively, rather than clinging to what we felt was surf style or how surfboards are ridden elsewhere.
Remember yesterday where we talked about changing the Center of Mass of the board? Wakesurf boards are funny things, you change one aspect and something else gets impacted! As we tried to change the center of mass, by shifting volume and the related weight, we wound up with this sort of nose heavy design. Oh great! Now we had too much weight forward, it was like we just switched the tail heavy design of surfboards into a nose heavy arrangement!
So what could we possibly do to fix that? Really just two options, lighten the tail so that we could remove some weight from the nose, or…right? Lighten the nose! Now we were consistent with the need for surf style boards to become non-directional. We knew how nose riders created lift via large nose concaves, which removed foam and associated weight! We needed lift in the nose when the board was revert AND we need to lose some weight up there also. It was a match made in heaven! So with those two combined changes, we’ve done a few things. Created a center of mass that is closer to where we wanted the board to rotate during shuv based tricks AND now we’ve developed lift when the board is ridden revert, which is where the current judging mechanism forces riders to develop their tricks. We think, but haven’t achieved it just yet, that the design changes will allow James to do revert surface 360’s. Now, competitive surf style really seems to only recognizes shuvs and body varials as tricks, but imagine your riding, if you have the control to spin a surface 360, revert or fins first? Spinning 180 revert is almost pedestrian at this point, but imagine bringing it around again for a full surface 360, revert. That’s certainly closer to the non-directional riding that the current judging system is forcing on riders! But think of how YOUR riding will improve, the style that you can add to your tricks.
So, that’s about it for the MAJOR changes in the shape for the current Flyboy that James is riding, so you’ll understand the shaping issues as we start this next build thread. Now, we didn’t create a noserider, that’s just the concept and no doubt you’re familiar with noseriding and have seen it in print, videos and maybe in person, but possibly not the underside of the board. That was the easiest way that we could communicate the idea!
We think we are now about ready to start into the build at least we’ve touched on the some of the most significant changes and improvements to the shape and overall design!
Thanks for following along, we really appreciate it!