Oct 25

Wakesurfer design theory

So we are going to be talking about some theoretical constructs that we used to build the current version of the Flyboy Wakesurf James Walker signature model. The Flyboy Wakesurf branded version. As we delve into these topics, we’ll relate them to the underlying construction or shape. The first thing we want to talk about is the concept of water flow up the wake face. Here are two pictures and we’ll be referring to them a LOT during this discussion, we’re sorry to make you jump back and forth and we don;t blame you if you don’t!

So the first picture, we will just label Picture 1. This was from that air 3 to floater to submarine video we showed earlier in the week.


The second picture, which is how we’ll refer to it, follows:


Those pictures are presented in the sequence order they were taken. That is to say, the first picture happened before the second picture.

If you look closely you’ll see a change in the orientation of the nose of the board to more vertical in the second picture. If you will, the board is rotating very slightly in a clockwise orientation. It is due to the board capturing more of the lifting forces off the wake face and actually creating lift in the nose.

Now we don’t care if call those forces in the wake “sweaty monkey balls”, as long as you understand the flow is upward and it interacts with the bottom of the board, it’s NEVER EVER from behind the board flowing forward. Look at the water flow that is visible off the nose of the board, it’s all straight up. Any directional flow forward would show spray forward. It doesn’t, ever.

Now if your wake has sweaty monkey balls going forward, this board won’t work as well with your sweaty monkey balls, but for everyone that has water flow UP (everyone) the wake face, your board should be optimized to work with that flow.

Current surf style design either completely ignores the need of wakesurf boards to ride revert, OR elongates the design and stumps off the ends to give more surface area engaged in the wake.

So first off, how do you think a stumpy nose would manage the submarining above? It would just act like a shovel, wouldn’t it? But, more area, longer boards with a straighter outline will capture more of the sweaty monkey balls forces traveling up the face of your wake.

We are NOT fans of the stumpy nose for a few reasons. One is this, we like the ability to recover. We also think that for most folks, it makes it harder to get tucked in tight to the wake face. There are others, but for now, that is the concept. Stumpy noses are basically longer boards, hacked off. We like shorter tighter riding boards.

So, now we have this weird sort of issue. Surf style divisions, require that the boards be ridden like non-directional skimmers, to score well. It’s not the way the boards were designed to be ridden, so it’s just odd. NOT that it can’t be designed for, but ONE of the major differences between surf and skim is directional vs non-directional. Skimmers and shuv based tricks are non-directional and surf style boards with huge ass fins out the back are directional. Somewhere someone thought forcing boards to be ridden against their design was state of the art, which is really dumb. Like taking your Ferrari out in the mud. Sure maybe you can do it, but it’s not designed for that! Why would you even consider it? Anyway, if we ruled the world things would be different! But we don’t so you just have to build for the dumbness.

Ok, so now we have to make competition level surf style boards more non-directional. A longer nose, as is achieved with stumpy boards, then places the fins further out away from the wake face when the board is revert.

We took a different approach, not wanting to go the stumpy route and instead worked on the nose area of the bottom of the board. Recognizing that the wake energy is flowing upward on the face of the wake, it was a fairly straight forward adjustment to create a bottom contour that helps create lift in the nose, when it’s actually the TAIL! Control surfaces along the rails are added also, so as to allow this most current Flyboy Wakesurf banded board to be ridden revert better and also as a fun side benefit, reduces your sinking ability!

Normally the nose area on the bottom of a wakesurf board is just flat and it leads into concaves of some kind. This new Flyboy actually has a bottom shape in the nose. Channels in the nose don’t do anything. Sorry, that isn’t how your sweaty monkey balls are working. The water flow is up, capture MORE of that and you’ll gain lift.

It’s straight forward, really, but for the most part all surf style manufacturers were manufacturing surf style boards that rode like surf boards (huh imagine that?!), no one realized they had to ride like non-directional boards, because no one said that and in fact most probably were fearful that they’d spend countless hours developing one and then be told, NOPE can’t use that! So development sort of stagnated.

Anyway, you get the idea, we’ve change the bottom shape in the nose area to better capture the water flow up the wake face and to create lift in the nose, when it is being ridden revert. When the nose is actually the tail it’s pulled in more, away from the upward flow of the wake, so we had to redesign the bottom to work more effectively when the board was being ridden revert.

Ok, that’s the first of many design changes and attributes that we created with this newest version of the Flyboy Wakesurf branded James Walker signature board. As we go to shape the board, you’ll see that we extend the shaping through the nose, rather than stopping at the nose. It also creates this funny looking two sided bottom structure. One for riding like surf style boards are supposed to and one for when they are forced to ride like a skimmer!

We’ll share more as we get into the actual shaping of the board in a future installment.

That’s all for today, man that was a lot of typing! Thanks so much for following along and even more if you stayed awake for the whole post! We appreciate it.

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Oct 24

Are you ready for the weekend?

We sure are! Although it’s turning to winter here pretty quickly, so there isn’t much riding time left without a full suit.


We thought we’d share a little edited video with you, that hopefully gets you thinking about wakesurfing again and if you live in a part of the country where you can wakesurf all the time, we hope you are out taking a few sessions.

James Walker from earlier this month with a front big and a back big that we edited together.

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to James Walker landing both a front big and a back big, in case the embed above doesn’t work for you.

We hope that you have a great weekend and that you’ll come back as we start discussing wakesurf design and construction.

Thanks so much for following along, we really appreciate it.

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Oct 23

Turn your frown UPSIDE down!

Right? We understand the post title is cliche, but it was soooo apropos! Revert lift on the New Flyboy Wakesurf signature model will change your attitude from THIS:

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Too much fun! Some of the contests are cutting back riding time with a reduction in a fall count, we’ll betcha that saving yourself even 1 fall, like in that video from yesterday and the pictures above can make the difference between a podium for you. Let’s be honest, you aren’t riding behind most of the contest boats, so you have 2 minutes to sort it out and then do all your tricks. How likely is that? Not very, right? Check any podium and the folks that are there, mostly practice behind the boat all damn year long. You’re gonna fall, because you don’t know how that wake works.

It reminded us of an old Beastie Boys line in a song, we think it was 3 MC’s and 1 DJ, circa 1999 – my beats are sick like Malaria! Not sure that being able to do a “submarine” is worth anything in a contest, after all it’s neither a shuv NOR a body varial, but what if you could save a fall in a contest run? What if that put you on the podium, because it gave you an extra 3 tricks in your run? Isn’t that about what you lose in your run with each fall, you lose the trick you fall on, plus the boat has to get back up to speed and burns course like it’s going out of style, plus, you’re down 1/3 of your total fall count. What if it was number 3? What would you give to save just that one? :)

Sick like Malaria! Right?

So, it’s just about building season for us here at Flyboy. The winter here in Norcal is not brutal like many parts of the country, but it gets uncomfortable and makes you want to NOT fall. The other thing with our local lake is it’s almost empty. The water level is so low that the one ramp that was left in the water ran out of cable to hold the dock in place, so we have a concrete ramp, but you have to swim to the boat after launching and putting away the truck and trailer.

We are a little worried about the 2015 season, because most of our local lakes and waterways are in the same bad shape. It’s going to make the 2015 wakesurf season pretty tough to practice. Less water will mean more boats in what water IS left. Lets keep our fingers crossed that we have a wet winter and at least the start of the 2015 season has some build up in the lakes.

So that said, lets talk about our building for the winter.

We are going to document the build process of the new and most advanced version of the Flyboy Wakesurf James Walker signature model. We have our supplies in!

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And cut file for the board is done, mostly. Maybe a tweak or two left.


So we’ll show you the process we go through to create the “fall saver” :) No, it’s the board that James Walker rides in contests. We’ll hold back a few things, at least until the end of next year, but we want to share with you how these boards are made. While there is some machine shaping in involved, there is just tons of hand workmanship. We think we have a really good design and product that quite frankly will help you ride better. BUT it’s feaking laborious to construct.

We are not fond of the lack of transparency that seems to exist in the world today, so we’ll show you how we build this board so that you can better understand how it works and also see the time and effort that goes into it.

Thanks so much for following along and watching our rather rough n’ ready videos. We really do appreciate you!


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Oct 22

You HAVE to watch this

We have a short video that we want to show you, because you won’t believe your eyes. Ok, we’ll jump to two pictures that we want you to see then to the video.

Have you ever found yourself in this position? Up on the table, sinking ever so slowly as the boat races away from you? Of course you have, we all have. Your board is completely underwater and you’re done right? Just like on James’ expression.


Ever start in the position like in the picture above, with your board completely underwater and you’re sinking down…and wind up like the next picture?


Right? Are you skeptical? We don’t blame you, there is so much bull in this industry you’re wise to question EVERYTHING! What is that saying, show me the money! We will do just that! Next up is the video segment, but we’ve also posted all of the sequence shots into a separate Flyboy Wakesurf Flickr Album, we called it Air 3 to Floater to Submarine. :) Just for fun.

Ok, now the video. Air 3 to floater to submarine to recovery

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to that air 3 thru sumbarine video, if the embed above doesn’t work for you.

Ok, so now the back story.

Yesterday we mentioned the incredible maneuverability of the newest Flyboy design. We’ve been working on it for years and years and finally have it ready for prime time. So we said, lets do something fun, lets have James do an air 3 to floater. That last turn up and into the table will be ridiculously tight, but will really demonstrate how effectively this board can turn, without being out of control, in a really fun light-hearted way. What we haven’t shared with you yet is the ability of this board to ride even BETTER revert.

Competitive wakesurfing in all contests and all tours is sort of schizophrenic. Surf style boards are directional. Doesn’t matter what your outline is like, we have huge ass fins. Anyway, skimmers aren’t directional, twin tip, tiny little barely there fin. Skimmers are designed to be ridden both forward and revert. So what gets rewarded heavily at all those contests in the surf style divisions? Non-directional tricks. Shuvs, etc.

Dear God, it’s like showing up for your first day of college and the course you’ve enrolled in is American History. You have your history book and note pad all ready and when you get to class, there are 50 easels spread around the room and the professor has on the overhead projector, Oil Painting 1A. You are sort of all weirded out, checking your class listing, checking the classroom number and the building and finally you approach the professor with a puzzeled: sorry to bother you prof, but the University has me attending American History at this time and in this room. AND he says, It is american history, I just prefer oil painting. Now sit down.

So the oil painters in the classroom excel and the rest of the class is all – wth? It’s a convoluted mess, right?

If you are riding in a surf style division, without any definition or judging criteria, you’re foolish to just assume riding your surf style board like a well…SURF F’ING BOARD, would be the right thing to do! You silly goose! It’s Oil Painting! The scoring criteria, fully subjective is your clue. Find what the judges are preferring, because it’s not based upon how well you ride YOUR style, it’s how well you ride to THEIR preferred style. If you aren’t doing that…If you aren’t becoming a homogeneous ME TOO! Knockoff, you aren’t going to score well.

Fact of life.

So, shuvs and body varials and those combinations are about non-directional riding. Makes sense that if that is the style you have to ride too, that our board needs to be more non-directional.

So we did that.

It would have been so much easier if the powers that be had just said that, rather than being vague and without any accountability. Just say it, we prefer all these skim tricks, design for that. So, your surf style board needs to ride revert, better. Right? So, that’s easy to fix. It just would have been so much better if it wasn’t this weird secret like dealio. Maybe folks like secrets?

So like we said, we did that. BUT, you know what else that did? It’s so wild, it generates lift not only when being ridden backwards/revert, it does it as the board is sort of sinking. It captures more of the lifting forces from the wake and creates a form of lift and allows the board to be driven, or ridden out of just the wildest situations.

Guess what that means for you?! C’mon guess! This new Flyboy is HARDER to fail on! WTH?! It’s just a side benefit of what we were trying to achieve, but think about your riding. Right? That’s how you fall all the damn time isn’t it? Slowly drifting out the back until you sink. What if, as you started to do that, you actually started generating enough lift that you could power out of the wake? Be honest, that’s the most cool thing ever! Now James is one of the best riders in the world, but this board generates lift in revert and also sort of when sinking. YOU can use that.

Let’s revisit that first picture. What do you do from THAT place? Most just give up and sink, right? Been there done that a BUNCH of times. If you had your Wheaties for breakfast and are feeling super spunky, but your board is really sllloooowwww maybe you can drop and paddle back out, but as far underwater as that board was, when you dropped you’d probably just sink, everything. OR…with this new Flyboy, how about just hanging on and punching through the wake back into the pocket?

Hell Ya! to that last option!

From Damn it!


To wait, what?


You’ve got to be kidding me, right?


Oh hell yes he did!


Did you see it? Yeah, it’s hard to see. We really envy those folks with several thousand dollar cameras and flying whatchamagiggies, but we’re just us. We’re lucky to even get the stuff on a video, yet alone mega dollar productions! Anyway, so we took the pertinent segment out and repeated it 3 times, hopefully that makes it clearer. Watch the board sort of buoy up.

We didn’t forget out mobile enabled friends!

Is that the coolest thing ever? Now remember, this isn’t FLOAT. Once you add a rider to a wakesurf board, they sink. There isn’t enough buoyancy to float a rider and the board…well maybe if it was a SUP, but this is a tiny little board. Also, those crazy thick super buoyant boards are impossible to sink a rail with unless you’re on a steady diet of steroids. Who needs a board fighting you to lay over into a turn. As you saw, this board sinks just fine and dandy! :) You’ll have no trouble laying over a rail, rather than cursing the damn corkiness of a too thick board.

It looks like James is sort of wakesurfing backwards, but what’s actually happening is that he is sort of just staying in one place. He caught the lip going around and stalled it…then, he started to sink and did you see it lift back up???!!! How would that help your surfing if when you started to sink, you generated enough lift to save your trick? Is that money, or what? Hell, do a shuv and body varial after and call it a new trick!!!! Ok, there are some other changes going on in there also, not like anti-gravity or anti-matter or anything, just shaping for what is required of surf style riders and we came across this side benefit!

So anyway, we figured you might prefer a board that you can just ride out of awkward positions, we know that we do. Sinking is all well and good on hot days and who doesn’t like getting prone and wallowing around in the water from time to time, but for the vast majority of time, we kinda like just riding away from it.

We’ll be bringing you more about this new Flyboy Wakesurf brand signature model in the coming weeks, but we wanted to share with you this fun little vid…air 3 to floater to submarine! Oh! and to recovery!

Thanks so much for following along, we REALLY appreciate it.

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Oct 21

AND fin pod changes

We wanted to share with you some of the fin pod changes that we made in concert with the rocker changes that we discussed last week. That old and tired rocker from the original Flyboy needed drastic revamping and we have been working on that for about 3 years or so. It’s major, but in terms of layout it doesn’t look all the different. So, we’ll offer up some video evidence to help explain the change and also the result of those changes.

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So we have to show you a short little video clip of a trick that we call a better widow maker. It’s an air 3 to a surface 720. Virtually all combination tricks you want to perform will have surface rotations either into the trick or out of the trick. Typically, it’s out of the trick, because all of the older designs for boards scrub speed in surface rotations. We wanted to be able to offer James the ability to generate speed through the rotation, so that it would be possible to do a surface rotation INTO some above the lip trick, NOT a shuv. Shuvs are fine, but they are seriously boring at this stage. So we wanted some new and fresh in the surf style arena and we saw one potential as being surface rotation INTO an aerial rotation.

BUT, here is something unexpected that resulted from that.

Have you mastered your surface 3 yet? It’s freaking hard isn’t it. IF you get your surface rotation down, what typically trips you up? You float out the back don’t you? What if while doing your rotation, you didn’t scrub any speed and could spin so tightly, that you actually started driving forward on the wake?

Heavenly, right? Behold.

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to James Walker landing that Better Widow Maker, if the embed above doesn’t work for you.

Did you notice it? It’s a lttle tough to see, so we grabbed a few frames from the video. Not the best quality pictures, but enough to document what we are saying.

Here is where James started the ollie 3, down low on the wake face and heading up around the very beginning of the table.

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Now compare the start of that 1080 to the start of the final rotation, below.

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Do you see that James is actually forward on the wake, in comparison? He has driven forward, but also can you see how high up on the wake face he is?

Two things going on. One is ridiculously tight surface rotations, half the vertical height, but also, James is able to actually drive the board forward. We get when you stall a trick and surf the board revert forward, THAT is not this. This is James driving the board forward as part of his surface rotation.

It’s sad that surf style competitive scoring only recognizes a shuv and body varial combination, virtually ignoring everything else, because it creates this horrifically limited set of tricks. Progression dies from atrophy and board design starts morphing to skim boards. Reap what you sew, we’d guess.

But for you, for folks that want to ride how you LOVE to ride, rather than the 4 tricks the powers that be seem to dream of, drool over and fantasize about, this new fin pod on the Flyboy, combined with the improved rocker will give you the ability to land your surface rotations, while actually driving the board forward. These changes are only available on the Flyboy Wakesurf branded boards. You CAN’T find them anywhere else.

This design will, simply put, make you ride better.

We want to clarify something, it’s not just twitchy, where the board is wildly out of control. We’ve tightened the boards turning radius if you will. If you are of the “push school” of wake energy, you’ll want to ignore the rest of this post, because you’ll just have to develop arguments against what you just saw. For the rest of you that don’t need that conceptualization OR are simply open, what we’ll tell you is that we changed the rocker and the fin pod to work with the upward flow of water forming the wake. For sake of argument, assume that the flow of water is strictly up and what you are planing on is a continuous flow of water up against the bottom of your board. Even as you drive forward, the leading area of your board is always intersecting fresh upward flow.

If the bottom of your board can grab that, harness that energy, no matter what orientation it is in, forward, revert or even sideways, you have the ability to sort of continually move the board forward, regardless of orientation. We’ve changed the bottom concave to not grab the water flow as it is lifting the bottom of the board upward. We’ve also shaped it such that when the board is sort of sideways at 90 degrees to the travel of the boat, it’s not acting like an anchor. Lastly, we spent what seemed like eons playing with the fin pod itself. The fin pod refers to the location and number of fins on the tail. Quad like boards with nubs for fins, rely on break the rear trailers free for surface rotations and rotations beyond 7 sort of require this stalled revert surf forward. That’s not a surface rotation, or typically isn’t allowed or counted as one. So, what you want is like what James is showing, the ability to drive forward as part of the rotation, so that you don’t have that momentary hesitation.

Also, for you, for all of the riders working on become a pro, this change in the fin pod, will have you spinning easily, in fact keeping pace with the boat as it travels forward. Tight, quick rotations AND driving forward, not scrubbing off speed.

Thanks so much for following along, we really appreciate it.

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Oct 20

Missing Summer series – Freezing Cold

Next up in our Flyboy Wakesurf Missing Summer series is a little edit from back in mid March earlier this year. The weather was frightfully old and so was the water!


Here is that edit for you, maybe reminding you of your current weather AND making you wish summer were back.

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to the Missing Summer series Freezing Cold video, if the embed above doesn’t work for you.

We hope you that brought back some fond memories of your early season of wakesurfing. We’ll continue to present another in our Missing Sumer series each Sunday, so be sure to check back to get your weekly fix!

Thanks so much for watching we really appreciate it.

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Oct 18

Our recent rocker developments

We thought we’d talk a little about the changes we’ve made in the rocker of the Flyboy that James rides over the last few years. We mentioned it yesterday in passing and we’ll expound on it in future posts, but suffice to say that we’ve messed with it considerably over the last maybe 4 or so years, developing what we think is a better rocker for James as well as most folks.


All wake faces are a perfect curve, in some fashion or another. Not that they are perfectly uniform like a segment of a circle, but there are curves throughout all of them. The typically change the curvature, but they flow from the low point at the transom upwards towards the top of the lip and then also up and out the back of the pocket.

The perfect rocker would be one that sort of adjust to the needed shape INSTANTLY at any place on the wake. Abrupt curve at the trough into the transition and a very mellow light curve from the at the very back of the pocket, before it transitions up towards the wash.

The problem with that is the INSTANTly part. It’s possible to create morphing bottoms but they aren’t neceassirly fast and so you wond up with this sort of “is it there now?!” guessing game when trying to use a flexible or morphing bottom structure. Most folks simply do better with a static bottom and rocker, even if it’s BAD, rather than a dynamic one that doesn’t always change on cue.

We were chatting with a colleague Dennis Horton of the Walker Project and now also Chief Judge of the EWT, about some development we did years and years ago. Dennis lent lots of input and did some work with us out on the garage on occasion back then. We were remember a board that basically had broken while riding and it developed this negative rocker. It actually curved downward at the nose but the tail was mostly flat with some concave between the feet.

Looked funny as all get out, but was probably the single fastest board we’d ridden…in a straight line. It wouldn’t turn at all, because the nose would plow catching the wake and ending your ride!

Most shortboards, or surf style boards are ridden off the rear foot. We turn from there and go vertical using the rear foot. What’s interesting is that we also use it to slow down. You lean back to scrub off speed, and guess what else you are doing? You’re change the effective rocker of your board and creating more NOSE rocker and less tail rocker.

That struck us at the time. Everyone is using rocker elements from the late 60’s surfboards and trying to create these shapes that fit perfectly into our tiny little perfect curves.

The concept of rocker from surfboards was to allow surfboards to fit deep into the pocket of tubes. Carving and turning, but things changed when aerialist like Josh Sleigh starting bring above the lip tricks. Rockers haven’t that much. With the advent of more vertical surfing and wakesurfing, you want a board that can track up the wake, without scrubbing ridiculous amounts of speed off. Now, you no doubt have seen pro level surf style riders pumping like wild banshees. You can’t ride like that. Most folks don’t WANT to ride like that. We call it franticizing, all frantic pumping and generating speed. Those folks can have any rocker they want, because they are pumping like crazy! You’ve also seen pro level boards that folks who aren’t super human, can’t ride! We’ve developed James’ board to allow anyone to ride better.

Out in the ocean, where rocker was developed, folks ride way faster. If you remember your wakeboard days, the faster you went the HARDER the water became! It wasn’t really harder, but your speed over the surface tended to cause you to plane more and BOUNCE more when you hit.

Wakesurfing, isn’t like that. We go horribly slow in comparison to wakeboard or surfing, and that makes the water “softer”, if you will. If that’s the case, what do we want to do with our Rocker? Folks stuck back in the late 60’s will use a 3 stage rocker. Flat in the middle, curved at both ends. What that typically created was huge nose rockers and smaller tail rockers with this weird flat spot in the middle. It’s ok, but not really optimal.

Remember we said that all wake surface are perfect curves. They might be parabolic in shape but they are never a right angle…well maybe the Epic surf wake, but not any others. So why would we have a flat section? Also, if we all invoke nose rocker by loading down the tail, how much nose rocker do we need? Right, when you’re slamming on the brakes, you probably create 7 inches of nose rocker!

How much do you need to go vertical? Remember this picture from yesterday and above?


Probably none, huh? Well that’s not true, but what you want and need is a curved surface that will allow you to engage the wake face in such a manner as to be able to point the nose straight up.

Now this doesn’t really apply to pro’s that practice behind mom and dad’s boat 30 hours a week. Good for them that they can shrug off any other responsibilities and play all week long. You don’t have that luxury do you? Neither do we to be honest! Just some damn working stiffs, and so we had to figure out a better way a more effective rocker to allow James to ride optimally with no more than a few hours a week of practice. Just like you.

We’ll talk more about what we tested and discovered and the significant changes we’ve made to the rocker over the last 2 years or so, to dramatically improve the ride of James Flyboy and a board that YOU TOO can ride to make you a better rider.

Thanks so much for following along we really appreciate it.

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Oct 17

Your weekend stoke

Lets get you ready for your weekend.


We want to show you a short video from last weekend, we’re just getting around to posting it. It shows James Walker on his Flyboy, the very same model that you’ll be able to buy in 2015. It’ll be the most technically advance pro model wakesurf board available to consumers.

In this unedited video James lands some shuvs, a back big and goes vertical a bunch. Specifically James lands: air, ollie 3, air 180, shuv to revert, switch frontside surface 180, to revert shuv, backside big spin, Korina 3

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to that video of James Walker wakesurfing his Flyboy, if the embed above doesn’t work for you.

In the picture above you can see James headed for an ollie 3. Seriously vertical presentation of the board. But what else do you notice? There is a huge trough behind James in the wake face. So that brings up an interesting concept with regard to rocker, especially as it concerns going vertical with your wakesurf board. James has presented that board almost vertical in that one frame. How much rocker is needed to achieve that? Lots of it is being induced in the wake face, isn’t it?

We’re going to present a rather controversial position with regard to rocker in an upcoming series, be sure to stay tuned! And with that, we hope you’re able to get out this weekend and your boat isn’t put away just yet.

Thanks so much for following along, we really appreciate it.

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Oct 16

Natique brings back US Open and adds wakesurf

Did you see the announcement by Boarders Magazine? That Natique is bringing back the US Open, which was announced at the beginning of last month, but they are also adding wakesurf. As far as we know, that hadn’t been announced previously. It’s to be held in 10 days! yikes, right? Anyway, maybe they have already selected the riders for the wakesurf event and have that all figured out, we aren’t sure, but you can imagine the cost of traveling from the West Coast to Florida on less than 10 days notice!

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But, that’s interesting news isn’t it? In the press release they say that the winners of each division will be invited to the Masters!!! Is that a hint that Natique will be adding wakesurf as a discipline to the Masters? This past year then did a demo with Scott Byerly, and we mentioned too little too late, but maybe this is a step in bringing that to Masters? Who knows.

Now originally, as far as we could tell, it was slated to be another demo, like wakesurfing is something NEW. Here is a link from back in September showing the tentative schedule. We cut ‘n pasted the pertinent parts. Wake Surf Exhibition, maybe that now becomes a “contest” final?

2:15 pm – Wake Surf Exhibition
2:45 pm – Women’s Jump
3:30 pm – Women’s Slalom Super-Finals
3:50 pm – Men’s Slalom Super-Finals
4:15 pm – Wake Surf Exhibition
4:30 pm – Men’s Jump
5:45 pm – Awards
7:00 pm – Jake Miller hits the stage
***Tentative Schedule

Anyway, somewhere they got smart…err, we mean it changed, we’d guess. Now we aren’t quite sure what the field will look like. It’s pretty late in the season and it sounds like it was a last minute decision, so maybe it will still be an “exhibition” but sort of legitimized by calling it a contest. BUT, you have to like that there was some inclusion of wakesurf, in the end.

Now that also begs the question about a Natique wakesurf series, leading up to Nationals then to Masters. In the World Series of Wake Surfing there seemed to be more Natiques pulling stops than any other brand, so they sure seem poised for that launch, don’t they? Or maybe a greater role in the World Series? It’ll be interesting to see how the 2015 wakesurf competition season shapes up, because from afar, it looks like it may may explode with Natique offering up more involvement in wakesurf events.

It’s kind of interesting to see how Correct craft is expanding. They manufacture Natique, but they also own Atkion Parks which operates the Orlando Watersports Complex (OWC). That operation is expanding and will be opening the Miami Watersports Complex. As we understand it, it’s slated for this month!

Lots going on in the Florida area, that’s for sure.

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Oct 15

Bigger Spin on a surf style board

Not that anyone knows what a surf style boards is, yet we all do. So odd, huh? Below is a picture of James mid bigger spin attempt.

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So James is working on a bigger spin with his Flyboy. It’s a 5 shuv with a 180 body varial. He’s close, but what does the landing look like on a surf style board? It’s revert isn’t it? PLUS the rider is switch, so it’s a crazy hard trick. Here is a short video of an attempt. You can see that James has the rotation and the height off the body varial, he just needs to put them all together and then figure out that revert landing.

For our mobile enabled friends, here is a link to James Walker working on that bigger spin on his Flyboy, if the embed above doesn’t work for you.

So something occurred to us with judging surf style boards and these shuv based tricks. Landing revert is going to require the rider to do something after. On a skim style board, you can ride revert all day long, but not the case with a surf style board with huge ass fins. So a skim style rider landing a bigger spin is just thinking, nail it, while a surf style rider is thinking nail it and hold it there long enough to get scored for THAT trick and then shuv or spin out of it. If the rider doesn’t demonstrate some weird-ass gap or doing nothing and then falls on say a surface 180 out, they’d lose the bigger spin altogether. Now lets be clear, the surf style rider has to freaking do something out of that revert position, no way in hell to stay like that, but if you land the bigger spin and fall in the simplistic 180 out, NO CREDIT. It’s stupid, but probably keeps tricks in the lower risk categories and with minimal add-ons to any of the tricks.

That is to say, it chokes progression and forces folks to concentrate on single iteration tricks. Shuv, back big, 360. Imagine landing a bigger spin in a contest in a surf style division and then in your jubilation, you fell on the frontside surface 180 out. Counts for nothing. It’s dumb, but also explains why runs become more similar and we don’t see significant risk in the surf style divisions.

Now about boards. So you’d expect to see a bigger spin in a skim division and also probably in skateboarding and also wakeskating. Those boards have somethings in common. One is that they are relatively speaking, pretty balanced end to end. Skimmers are pretty close to being non-directional and wakeskates mostly are.

We have an issue with that balancing with our surf style fins that have a large fin pod towards the back of the board and some extra traction back there. One way to sort of solve balancing that on a surf style board is to make it longer and with a blunted nose. More weight on the opposite end, longer board too. What we’ve done with James’ board, one that you’ll be able to buy here shortly, is hide some weight inside the core in about the same spots as the fins and traction. What we achieved with that is the ability for the board to rotate pretty uniformly around an imaginary axis thru the center of the board. Also, what would make sense with our fin pods? Closer together and slightly further back, right? Shorter depth would also help. The fin pod changes would be to get the fins out of the wake when riding revert. More inboard and the further out towards the tail, the greater likelihood that the tail will be out of the wake. OR, lengthen the board. It would be so helpful if we all knew what those parameters can be so that we can build and design for them. No one will because you don;t want to lose the time and investment for your cutting edge progressive shape only to find out, some head judge doesn’t lke your efforts.

We’ve opted out of lengthening the board because it simply harder for most folks to ride a longer board more aggressively. Shorter is easier for folks to rip on.

So, hopefully we’ll have a video of James landing that bigger spin on a surf style board, but probably not this year. Our local lake is basically closed for the year. The dock has been pulled and the only way to get to your boat after launching is to swim, or beach it. BUT, with the water level so low, most of the shore is pretty much jagged rocks just waiting to rip up gelcoat.

We promise to bring you any video, when James nails it!

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